OK so I have been accused of several things by the author of Waking Hereward; basically the accusations boil down to not responding to a particular comment here in a manner that was thought to be required. I give you from here:-
Anyway, I trolled down the comments, gradually losing the will to read and despising the hectoring control freakery with which Numptie revels – until I happened upon Gurdeep’s comment, posted on July 2nd of this year.. I have copied it below in its entirety. There is also Numptie’s feeble response – and Gurdeep’s reply. I reckon the comments policy has just had to be redefined as Numptie gets a comment from someone who doesn’t fit his stereotypical pigeon holes…..
There are several accusations here; “the hectoring control freakery with which Numptie revels”, “Numptie’s feeble response”, and last but not least putting people into “stereotypical pigeon holes”.
So let me deal with these points: a) the hectoring control freakery with which Numptie revels: if the deleting of insulting and abusive comments whislt at the same time preparing to engage in a “reasoned” debate is “control freakery” then yes I suppose that I am a control freak; however a control freak that believes in the freedom of speech and who will defend anyone’s right to voice their opinion. b) Numptie’s feeble response: well the response I made to a comment was:-
I will come back to your points Gurdeep when I return home from a short trip…
Well I am back from the short trip and have had several very busy months since; also I do not respond to anything that I have not checked out for myself, unlike those in the English Nationalist movement who tend to shoot off their mouths before checking the facts. I fully intend to respond to Gurdeep’s comment, and that is what this post is all about. c) stereotypical pigeon holes: well this just made me laugh coming from someone who supports the inherent divisiveness of English Nationalism!
So next a response:
First of all let me make it quite clear from the outset, as I have stated in a comment eslewhere:-
“I have little time for the more extreme faces of Nationalism of any kind; one only has to look back to the 1930’s to see where rampant nationalism led us, into a second world war! On the other hand I do not and never have denied that there is a case for an English Parliament, but I temper that with the caveat that it must be properly thought out and take all of the English regions into consideration; something that most of the English Nationalists who visit here find hard to understand.”
I wanted to make that point in order that I cannot be accused of taking sides with any particular brand of nationalism.
I also think that it is wrong to lump all Nationalists together as there are good and bad apples in every barrel; and I have no time for those hotheaded Cornish Nationalists who are giving all Cornish Nationalists a bad name in the same way that the hotheads within English Nationalism that I attack are giving English Nationalism a bad name. I happen to know a couple of people who take an English Nationalist stance who absolutely agree with me about the vitriolic, racist bigots who have attached themselves to the cause.
I agree that we do not “see English nationalists burning British, Scottish, Welsh or Cornish flags“; but what we do see from the hotheads is far, far worse in that their attitudes are divisive in that they are hell bent on setting minority against minority, of promoting a highlighting of “difference”. For instance there is a move afoot to have a seperate box on the census form for those who want to define themselves as English, Simon Maine over on Unlock Democracy puts it far better that I can when he says:-
The problem is that this census encourages people to separate themselves on the grounds of race as well as nationality. I accept that many families are English-based and stretch back for generations. There are perfect grounds to claim English national identity, but it says sweet FA about their ethnicity, nor should it. After so many years of cultural and racial ‘cross-pollination’, I would be surprised if someone could truly tell apart an Englishman from a Scotsman, an Irishman or a Welshman. Is there really any distinguishing marker that the English maintain to themselves in this modern age?
It is a corollary of bringing democracy closer to the people that it will necessarily stir up feelings of national pride and identity. This can be a healthy reaction. However, what we do not want is for it to stir up feelings of racial and ethnic differences within these Isles. The English may have an identity but it is specious to deduce from that they have an ethnicity as well. We must quickly separate the devolution debate from its potential for racialism if we are to move forward without controversy.
Gurdeep says that
The English accept that multiple identities are possible because the vast majority of them, even the most passionate Englishmen, tend to also feel British or have some strong regional identity, or perhaps some other ethnic identity like Indian. This is something that the Celtic nationalists don’t really understand, much less appreciate. England is much more tolerant and multicultural in this respect.
Here I do disagree; I suspect that most English people couldn’t give a damn about who comes from where, or about the ethnicity of those around them, they are too busy living their own lives; it is just the minority who want to highlight such differences. I would also say that the Celtic Nationalists perfectly understand all about multiculturalism; you only have to come to Edinburgh and Glasgow, both of which have diverse multicultural communities. Not only that but all of the ethnic communities rub along quite well together on the whole. Now I am not saying that there is an absence of racism or bigotry buried within these various communities, that would be inherently stupid of me, because there is, although not to the extent that one sees from the more unacceptabale face of English Nationalism.
Finally, I have to agree with Gurdeep when he states that he does not “understand the animosity that this debate generates“; neither do I. I was raised to respect my fellow human being regardless of sex, colour, creed etc. etc., and that is precisely what I try to do; however, those who are hell bent on the divisiveness of racism and bigotry do severely stretch my capacity to respect them.
Hopefully I have addressed, to some extent, the points raised by Gurdeep; although I know that it will not be to the satisfaction of the English Nationalists, because as we all know “they are right and I am wrong”, which is always their starting poing in any argument.